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Post by Admin on Jan 25, 2017 1:04:16 GMT
When studying this passage, i find about 3 camps on it meaning. The Rapture, The Second Coming, and the End of the World. I want to know what your view on this passage is. For brevity's sake, just comment on Jesus' discourse, not the parables that follow. Unless you want to include the parables, then bonus lol. Its an open forum, no condemnation, just a time to reason together in search for the Truth in this passage.
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Post by iceroadpreacher on Jan 25, 2017 21:12:27 GMT
Sorenson is my go to guy on stuff like this. " Overview of Matthew 24: This chapter is one of the most fascinating and yet misunderstood chapters in Matthew. It, along with chapter 25, forms what is known as the Olivet Discourse. It is virtually entirely eschatological. Its focus is upon events befalling Israel during the Tribulation. Several helpful keys to understanding the Olivet Discourse are to remember that (1) Matthew’ s gospel was written for the Jewish mind. (2) The church is not directly in view in the Olivet Discourse. It already has been raptured to heaven. Rather, the focus is upon Israel during the Tribulation. (3) The Rapture has already taken place prior to the events discussed here. References to the coming of Christ are of His second coming in power and glory at the end of the Tribulation. The perspective of the entire discourse is of Israel as they are converted to Christ dur- ing this time of great confusion and judgement. The final portion of Matthew 24 is a detailed description of the coming of Jesus Christ in power and great glory. This is in distinction to the Rapture. The key to understanding this passage is to remember that it is from within the context of the Tribulation and involves Jewish converts. The perspective is thus for believing Israel in that day. Nevertheless, there is fascinating insight of events then. A related passage is Revelation 19:11-19."
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Post by Admin on Jan 26, 2017 1:11:25 GMT
I shall dig into this passage comparing what Sorenson said about Matthew 24. I can see the connection to Israel in verses 24:16 about the people in Judea. But what about verse 9? Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. What Jews are going to be in Christ's name and suffering for His sake for that matter? I would've thought the Jews would be the first to get swayed under the signs and lying wonders of the Anti-Christ or "true Messiah" as they would call him.
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Post by dakableguy on Feb 9, 2017 17:48:38 GMT
can I upload a doc or PDF somewhere in here??
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Post by Admin on Feb 9, 2017 17:58:45 GMT
Yes you can. Select "reply" instead of "quick reply" At the top left it says "add attachment." It should work just fine. Attachments:codec.mp3 (12.56 KB)
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Post by dakableguy on Feb 10, 2017 4:57:11 GMT
I believe 24:9 is saying in the immediate context of Jesus disciples and disciples in general, if we compare Luke 21:12 we see that the statement is made "but before these things happen", (the earthquakes and famine...etc.) they will be delivered up. so what I see is that yes the Disciples who were Jewish but in Jesus.
Now I don't believe Matthew 24 is referencing only during the tribulation period but the kingdom, Millennial Reign as well also the destruction of the Temple which Christ clearly says will happen and did happen in AD70. I see three fold Immediate persecution, Tribulation Jacobs Trouble Jer 30:7 not the churches trouble because the Church is the Bride not the wife. Israel is wife of God Jer 3:8.
Rev 20 is the millennial reign where Satan gets put in the bottomless pit but is then loosed for a little season to deceive the nations once again which are scattered. then we see Satan gathering powers of the earth for one final rebellion against God. Rev 20:11-14
So I see the latter part of Matthew 24 as the second Resurrection or second Rapture for those saved during the Millennial Reign. they are God's elect so we see the day of Christ as the first Resurrection of the saints. 1 Thess 4:16 speaks of the Dead in Christ shall rise 1st. the Church is the Bride of Christ and Baptism means to be placed into. the Jews have not been baptized into Christ, they have not trusted in his Resurrection like the church has so they miss the boat spend 7 sucky...well 3.5 ok and 3.5 not so ok years being brought back on the table. God did divorce Israel but never took another wife. Jesus the Son took a Bride, not the Father.
So when 2 are in the field and one goes missing and one is at the mill and one goes missing is obviously speaking of those saved during the millennial reign.
John the baptist was a friend of the Bride but was not the Bride. John 3:29 so there is two raptures or gathering together is what I see.
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Post by Admin on Feb 10, 2017 17:22:08 GMT
Interesting, I will have to re-study that passage with that filter on it. This study has branched off to things I need more understanding in regarding the Bride and Wife situation, first and second resurrection and rapture. Thanks for the input and I will reply once I have more understanding.
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Post by dakableguy on Feb 10, 2017 20:07:50 GMT
i will try and upload some of Bible Doc Eschatology notes here. there is some good stuff. i learned lots when i wasn't trying to stay awake. ill scan to pdf and upload them
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Post by Admin on Feb 10, 2017 21:07:59 GMT
Hah! Awesome, I look forward to it.
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